Bug 399243

Summary:	KDE CD: please include MC
Product:	[openSUSE] openSUSE 11.1	Reporter:	macias - <bluedzins>
Component:	Patterns	Assignee:	Stephan Kulow <coolo>
Status:	RESOLVED WONTFIX	QA Contact:	E-mail List <qa-bugs>
Severity:	Enhancement
Priority:	P5 - None	CC:	mrmazda, nadvornik
Version:	Alpha 0
Target Milestone:	Alpha 0
Hardware:	i586
OS:	Other
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Description macias - 2008-06-11 12:06:32 UTC

I know, nowadays we have 3d desktop, special effects, etc. but MC despite it is a console program is extremely useful. And when the problem strikes, it has all the features you could usually ask for.

Comment 1 Dirk Mueller 2008-06-11 12:30:09 UTC

mc is the only app that still links slang (even though it has ncurses support), so it would be an option to include mc as long as it doesn't pull in slang as well.

Comment 2 Vladimir Nadvornik 2008-06-11 12:57:07 UTC

The utf-8 patch requires slang. Porting it to ncurses is not trivial and would
probably need several days of work.

Comment 3 Stephan Kulow 2008-06-13 06:38:14 UTC

ok, I understand the tendency to include favorite console tools for recovery, but there is limited space on the CD - especially on x86_64 and I don't want to create arch specific solutions for this.

Comment 4 macias - 2008-06-13 15:32:08 UTC

Stephan, you guessed that right, the MC is my favourite tool :-)

But this wish was not about favourite tool, but useful one -- note that MC is compact swiss-knife, it has ftp, copy, move, search, filter, edit (did I miss something?) features, so when problem arises at low-level (i.e. user has to drop his lovely KDE) MC comes very handy.

If you know any replacement, I would be glad to use it, but _one_ replacement, not set of tools vi+find+ftp+cp+mv, they are nice, but MC ease down tiresome tasks.

So please reconsider (i.e. please either point out modern, text, replacement or maybe try to fit MC? ;-) ).

Btw. I consider MC more important than secondary apps from KDE (especially FF) -- because it is easier to operate in KDE environment, than work with problems in text console. Note, that the problem could strike right from the start.

Comment 5 Felix Miata 2008-06-16 13:56:46 UTC

Every environment that omits MC is too broken for me to use without pain and suffering. MC is indispensible to virtually everything I do besides access web pages, particularly if X is broken. MC contains ftp, and how I do manual package fetching when repository access is broken and some test or updated package needs to be installed to fix zypper, yast and/or smart. It's also how I fetch every kernel, which I normally rpm -i instead of having a fancy package manager automatically delete working kernels and leave a system unbootable. MC contains the only text editor I'm familiar enough with to use. Every compact toolkit (e.g. live CD) needs a swiss army knife (multipurpose tool). MC is on all Knoppix bootable media, so I'll be sticking to it for all live CD booting, and all live CD recommendations.