Bug 964149

well. it is not something we can easily keep working,
because on Tumbleweed the kernel and X-server gets updated every few days
so closing it as INVALID or WONTFIX is correct.

> You should TEST thoroughly a distribution BEFORE launch

Tumbleweed is a rolling-release distribution, so there is never a launch
or always - however you define "launch".
And I wrote an automated test system (called openQA)
to keep it in good condition at all times
by running hundreds of automated tests every day
but it is hard to test special hardware+drivers with it.


but OTOH I can tell you, that I got binary nvidia drivers to work on Tumbleweed
using the latest kernel from Leap and the G04 nvidia driver
self-compiled into an rpm
using
osc co X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG04
and
osc build openSUSE_Factory x11-video-nvidiaG04.spec
cp -a .../*.rpm .
and same for nvidia-gfxG04.spec

and I did
zypper addlock kernel-default
so that newer kernels only get installed when I want it.

feel free to update the wiki page accordingly

Anyway no bug on part of openSUSE - I hope that I don't need to emphasize that nvidia binary drivers are something that is out of control of openSUSE.

A husband and his wife walk in the forest with their 13(.2) children. On a clear place check their count, one of them is missing.
The husband says:
- My beloved wife, what could we do? Look for the missing or make another one?

This is the OpenSUSE policy (nowadays). You should test the new distribution in every testcase on the living systems, not on the clear track. My system is 15 years old and I found bigger and bigger problems after upgrade (but maybe I became older simply...) it lasted over 3 months from the launch...

Then: NO problem with the nvidia driver, but I have errors what I describe. Some desktop are working, some not, mainly the sddm. There is no real reason (for me), why.

Does ANYBODY test the testcases what I wrote?
(You should test the
vnc/ssvnc ---> Xvnc/x11vnc ---> xdm-kdm(or,switched)ssdm ---> other desktop applications ---> graphical programs combination-chain. The workflow should be transparent in ideal case.) - nvidia proprietary driver installed, successful.

Or is there somebody who believes me when I describe the result?

And MARTIN I know that the driver is not a part of the distribution. But should work.

At the end: if the errors WONTFIX who will fix it? Me or the GOD? I am not able to do it. Pray for the God?

There are two type of informatics guys' saying if one error occur:
- It is working on my machine.
- I will fix it.
You choose.

*** Bug 964154 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

btw: the general recommendation is
to only use Tumbleweed if you are a software developer or Power-user
but use openSUSE Leap 42.1 otherwise.

Binary nvidia drivers work fine on Leap.

Imagine(In reply to Misi Mókus from comment #3)
> A husband and his wife walk in the forest with their 13(.2) children. On a
> clear place check their count, one of them is missing.
> The husband says:
> - My beloved wife, what could we do? Look for the missing or make another
> one?
Imagine that guest checks into a hotel, and after a while starts asking hotel personnel to build a swimming pool for him, since there is none available. Even though this hotel never advertised to have swimming pool and nobody promised guest that there will be one. Guest still demands that swimming pool is built, and says that previous hotel in which he stayed had one, thus all hotels should have swimming pools.

Also most of hotel personnel is working there in their spare time and for free.

If you want accelerated nvidia graphics, use openSUSE Leap.

Dear Bernhard and Martin,

Bad thinking ---> bad decisions ---> bad solutions.

1. You should NOT assemble such OS distribution at all as can not support ALL hardware with its ALL features: it is one of the main aim of the OS.
2. But you decide to do that you should testing all offered compontents' working. For example x11vnc, Xvnc collisions (resulted full lockdown).
3. You should do not offer such upgrading combinations which results INVALID system.

BTW I have a hybrid system and I CAN use nvidia accelerated driver WITH Tubleweed (with x11vnc). What about it?

And: free software is not equal to bad software (as Linus likes). And If I see a swimming pool in the hotel, I can not believe for the administrator at all. 

The OpenSuSE was an excellent, mostly error-free, thoroughly tested widespread system with lots of repairing possibilities. Till the NOVELL arrived. But it is an old truth: free and commercial software and thinking do not walk in same trousers...

PS. I have chosen Tumbleweed for up-to-date behavior and thought I will support REAL drivers... and when the factory became equal, I thought it will fit for me.

(In reply to Misi Mókus from comment #7)
> 1. You should NOT assemble such OS distribution at all as can not support
> ALL hardware with its ALL features: it is one of the main aim of the OS.

Agreed - so are you offering to donate to the openSUSE Project ALL hardware? 
If so, I can provide delivery addresses for some of our infrastructure locations if you need help with hosting but the chances are we will need larger premises - are you going to donate a data centre or two for the openSUSE Project?

Are you and an army of volunteers going to work on ensuring we have support for ALL features?

> 2. But you decide to do that you should testing all offered compontents'
> working. For example x11vnc, Xvnc collisions (resulted full lockdown).

Agreed - are you and an army of testers going to either manually test that or write the tests so openQA can? The openQA test writers guide is here: https://github.com/os-autoinst/openQA/blob/master/docs/WritingTests.asciidoc

> 3. You should do not offer such upgrading combinations which results INVALID
> system.

We do not offer the NVIDIA driver, it is provided by NVIDIA

Plus, as it's a closed source, proprietary driver, not only do we not provide it, but we cannot do anything to fix it besides offer sympathy

I had sympathy for you, but since reading this bugzilla thread, I'm afraid you've lost it.

Dear Mr, Brown (I do not know you)

1.-2. Nobody forces anybody to build and launch OS distributions. But who does it should do it well.
I am a very simple guy. I click the button (or some typing), if the program works, good, if not, then not good. I tested lots of combinations.
And I saw very intelligent, easy-to-use and mostly error-free solutions during years in openSuSE distributions. Not nowadays.

3. I MUST emphasize: there is NO problem with the nvidia driver and its cooperation with the Linux programs. It works (they have also good programmers) - and if not that is THEIR problem. Some programs NEED accelerated driver, not for me. The problem is in the bad system planning approach and developing (Mesa, nouveau and OpenGL managing). Make systems for the users and you win my sympathy.